ON AIR with Ruben Jay
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Episode 27 · 1 month ago

Matthew Maher: From Pro to Con To Pastor

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Matthew Maher, pastor of Coastal Church and founder of TruthOverTrend is here and speaks bodly about many things the Church faces. 

You've tuned into Hon air with Reuben J, your home for entertainment, news and deep conversation. Here's your host, Reuben J. here's Reuben J. You're listening to on air with a Ruben J. Man, it was good having a week off last week after a bunch of travel and just hanging out with some good people. I don't know what that but I think I just broke something Um. Anyway, in this week's episode, Man, I'm super excited for it's a long time coming, after some email tag and after just trying to get on the same page with this person's schedule, and I believe that this is probably the most important podcast I have done in a very, very long time. We get into discussions about a lot of things that I believe are fundamental questions that we as a society, we as if you believe it, that you are a Christian and that you are a conservative, need to be having, and it is unfiltered, uncensored, and it's just a deep conversation about spirituality and political nous. Uh. That just really drives home the importance of being bold in the face of diversity and in the face of people on opposing sides. Just trying to destroy anybody that they don't agree with. So I believe that this podcast will probably get canceled, will probably be pulled from many sources. That's why you need to head over the dollar in the JAR DOT COM right now sign up for you know particularly, and I wish you would sign up for the the paid tier, obviously, because I think that there is some money to be made and that you know. Um, I would love to give you this podcast completely, ad free and early, but obviously I understand if, during this inflationary period that we are in, if you would rather not spend your money on a podcast, and so we have a free option. So, dollar in the JAR DOT COM, sign up for our free tier or three dollars a month here. Get this show early, get the show Ad Free and support what we are doing here, because it's it's it's big work, it's really big work, and I think this podcast is going to showcase why it's such a big deal that you support us moving forward, because we are not going to be silenced on some of the stuff that we were talking about. So, DONALD JAR DOT COM, support the show, become a free, a free supporter, or spend three bucks a month help the show out. I really appreciate any and all support that way. And of course, you know, if you don't want to sign up for another membership, you don't want to spend any money. I understand it is a rough life out there right now with the way gas prices and inflation and all that stuff is going, the fact that we are now in a recession. Depending on who you ask, you know whether you ask people who know or the people who just keep changing the definitions of stuff. Um, I I respect whatever you have going on. So if you cannot support the show by signing up doll on the JAR dot com, I understand. Um, maybe you can share this podcast with a couple of friends. Think of like three people who you think might just be entertained by the content that we produce here at the on airth room and J show or multi medium mouth dot com, and I think that if you can find two or three people, send this podcast to them. I think it will make their day. Now, in addition to that, I know everyone here shops on Amazon. So head over to multi medium mouth dot com, forward slash Amazon, click on the Amazon banner and help support the show. Clicking that banner will take you to Amazon and you can start your shopping there and a little bit of what you spend comes to us. Doesn't cost you a dime, doesn't cost you a pennymore. Whatever you are already buying will support the show. There's a small percentage that comes my way and I appreciate everybody who's done...

...that so far. I appreciate the people who continue to do that and I'll appreciate the people who begin to do that starting today. So, multi media, mouth, DOT COM, forward, Slash Amazon, click on the Amazon banner and help support the show. Again, doesn't cost you anything extra. There's no excuse. You already G gonna buy that New TV, so might as well start at my Amazon site and help the show out. Capeche, Capeche. This week's episode again, like I said, it's going to be a bold one. It's going to be directed, to be in your face and I hope that you appreciate it. My guest this week is one of the pastors over at Coastal Church and one of the main guys over at truth over trend. I love his message, I love his boldness. Uh, we're gonna jump into a conversation here in just a second with Pastor Matthew Mayor and then we'll be back with more. So stick around for that conversation. Well, I mean join right now by Pastor Matthew Mayor Right here from honestly, I don't even know what church you're from, but the truth over trend is his ministry and I listened to him speak out here in in Uh at my home church, her corbege Chapola Habra in Orange County, and uh, I truly believe what he what he had to say, was something that I think any good Christian, any good Bible believe in Christian, needs to hear. And I also believe that any any good, uh, common, sensed conservative needs to hear as well. So, Matthew, Pastor, Matthew, welcome to the show. How are you doing this morning? Thank you, Ruben. Honored to be on the show. This was a long time coming. We've been playing kind of email tag trying to figure it out with our schedule. So honored to be here with your listeners, your viewers. Hailing from New Jersey, church called coastal Christian in Ocean City, New Jersey. But more importantly, I am a representation of the larger church and that's why it's an honor to come into California and have shared that message with you guys not too long ago. Yeah, I loved, I love the message, man. And then, you know, you also you shared with the men a couple of days after, after that big message that I'm referencing, and hopefully I'll be able to find some clips of it to to clip into here for people to listen to a little bit of what what you had to say there. Because again, and we'll talk about what you talked about, because you're, you know, very bold, and what you said and, uh, which is which is funny, and we'll jump into that into a second, but I just find it funny that you know, saying the truth is bold these days. Right, right. But let's talk about you real quickly, because you have a very interesting journey, uh, into where you are now. Uh, you, uh, you played football, the not, not, the not, the colts and the raiders and uh and the Lakers, but you you played the English football, right, or the Spanish football or whatever it is. Um. And how many home runs did you hit in your in your career? Oh my goodness, I love it. But tell me a little about you. Know, I'm becoming a professional football player and then we'll transition into you know, what happened towards you know that they got you to where you're at now. Yeah, so, raised in a strong Christian household with three older brothers that played every sport you can imagine. So I was often playing several years up, whether it was basketball, soccer, baseball, soccer. Football seemed to have been the gifting that I excel at, and that is kind of what made me stand out from my peers, not only in middle school but eventually in high school. And then, you know that goes high school accolades and traveling across America playing in the Olympic Development Program warranted a full scholarship to tempt university in Philadelphia. So I repeated...

...that cycle of both excelling academically and athletically and had a pretty decent four years there as a captain and Um eventually was drafted in my senior year to play professional soccer, which was a dream come true, and it was also following steps of one of my older brothers who was playing professional soccer at the time. So it seemed like the right next step to take. Played several years, you know, in different cities, Raleigh, North Carolina, Carolina FC, North Jersey with the New Jersey Ironman in the M I s L, and then eventually in Philadelphia, and that became more or less the world I lived in, played in and unfortunately, as I said earlier, if I was raised in a Christian household, I started to look more like the world than the word and the environment that I was raised in. That's kind of like the pause and the pivot that could set us up. Reuben, for Gosh, what God used to get my undivided attention. Soccer was awesome, don't get me wrong. I often use it to levery age in my messages to get people's attention right there here he played, played pro soccer, and then usually use that to kind of insert a more important truth these days, which isn't about what we do, it's not about what we have, it's about God and what he's created us to do and, of course, what he's entrusted us to have, and all of that finds its purpose, biblically speaking, in him alone. So I got further away from that mark of knowing who I was in Christ and I began to live for the world and it's applause and pride goes before destruction, a holiday spirit before fall. And and ultimately that's the D N A of my story. It started off with pride and thinking I was the genesis of my own glory and my own gifting and and I knew that wasn't true deep down inside. But the sad reality is when you straddle the proverbial fence, when you're living two different worlds, two different lives, one foot as a Christian, foot as a heathen, one ft in the word of God, one ft in the world, that's a divided stance ultimately leads to a numbing of sorts. Now you're Numb, you're desensitized to things that would previously have been sinful, or you would have noticed they were sinful. And Gosh, man Jesus said it best. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Forfeit his soul, gaining all the world has to offer, whether it's fame, fortune, and yet forfeit your soul? And like I think that is the best way to summarize how I had everything that you could imagine, what you would want as a young man twenty four years of age, and had nothing because it lacked purpose in Christ and suffered a career ending injury playing professional soccer in March of two thousand nine, March one, Sunday game. Last time I would put on a Professional Jersey with my name on it. Ruben, the last time I would collected paycheck from a professional organization to play a sport. That was the last time that I would play at that high level. And toward the A C L, toward the Meniscus, how an M R I confirm it. Midweek, they scheduled the surgery the following week, which was, I think, March twelve. So there's my timeline. March one, the knee goes, March twelve the scheduling of the surgery to repair the knee. Well, RATE SMACK DAB in the middle, there was the weekend and it was March six. It was a Friday and instead of staying in and going with the team the next day, where they were traveling to Baltimore for a game, I was on the injured reserve list, chose to go out in the city of Philadelphia on that Friday night. And the cliche saying goes like this and if you plan, if you excuse me, if you fail to plan, you plan to fail and when you really think about that, I had no plans that evening. Met Up with some friends, ran into some old buddies from college, had some drinks and some local establishments, some bars. That kind of bled into the late eight night hours,...

...after midnight, finding myself at a club and then drinking more and all the while the question has been asked, what were you thinking? And that's the point. When you are under the influence of alcohol, you're not thinking. Mind you, I'm legally drinking, as far as being over one, and you're not thinking about anything beyond the moment. And I got into my vehicle that evening and I set out to go to another destination and myself and a passenger, I often tell people, we never made it. That night for me has not yet ended. Yes, the twenty four hour cycle has turned over to a new day and a new month and a New Year, all of these years later, but the consequences and the ramifications of that evening for me has not yet ended. And I say that to say this that I ended up rear ending another vehicle on the the expressway, which resulted in an at fault drunk driving fatal lity of another driver in the other vehicle, a man named Hort CAAP fifty five years of age. His life suddenly ends because of my reckless, egregious decision, and it came in waves, obviously discovering what I had done. The next morning I found out at the state police barracks when they took me into custody. Mind you, I only thought it was me and my passenger involved with another vehicle where there was a crash. I thought I saw the other passengers that were involved in the driver. So all through the night I believed I'm just gonna get a D Y, I'm gonna have to pay for some damage done to vehicles, insurance and all those things that go with a D U I, misdemeanor car accident. Never in a billion years what I've had imagined that somebody else was deceased based on something that I did. And they told that the next morning in an interrogation room. And needless to say, my world implodes. Somebody else's world explodes, family that I don't know, and that kind of began the journey of humiliation which in the hands of ruthful humiliation, which humbles us. So there was great remorse, there was great there's great shame, all of which, God, you performed surgery on my soul and I don't want to put out a false read to our watchers, our our viewers here, only because I'm jumping into a time in my life where heavy beyond explanation and I'm making it sound as if it was like, you know, I woke up the next day and all right, God, you got my undervite attention. That's not how it went. It was ten months of brutal emotions and wrestling with how you should respond to it. Ten months later, I'm standing before a judge and the only thing I cared about, to be honest with you, was to express my remorse and ask for forgiveness from my victims family, who I didn't know. Again, the only thing I knew was he was a father, he was a brother, he was a husband, he was somebody else's child. His children were in the courtroom and I have to look them their eye because this was the right thing to do and let them know how sorry I was, and I did that. That's all I could control. I was charged with first degree aggravated manslaughter. I was looking at to ten to thirty years in state prison. In New Jersey. Did Not care about the time that I could get. That was out of my hands. Couldn't control any out any outcome other than my heart's response. Couldn't control what prison would be like, which I would eventually serve five years in state prison. But what I could control on that day was seeking forgiveness. And there's a video, Ruben, I always loved people to see what took place my court day as I expressed my remorse to this family, apologizing and leaving the outcome to God and leaving the outcome to them. And what we would see is Mr Hortekap's son, a young man named noon, who would express his anger towards me. Of course I was the object of his anger, the one that took away his father. But in this video you would see that this composure came...

...over this young man and he comes walking over to me, and you got to see it, because my my explanation of it doesn't do it justice. He comes walking over to me and the video you don't hear what he says, but he says to me, but I forgive you, my brother and him and I embrace right there in the courtroom and it's almost poetic. Because before I would spend a single second as an inmate of the state, as an incarcerated inmate of the state for a crime that I committed. I was set free by this hug of forgiveness and it took a while in prison for the Lord to really impress upon my soul that picture from court day, and it was like son, that's the Gospel. You all will stand before me one day as the judge. I will judge you for what you've done, and everyone who has broken my law is guilty as charged, and there's nothing you can do on that day. Your resume won't get you out of it, your good works won't get you out of it, character references on your behalf won't get you out of it. Money in the bank won't get you out of the crime you committed against me. Every one who has ever had breath in their lungs, unless unless an advocate or a lawyer or an individual, stands up, interrupts and pays the debt that I owe. And that's what Jesus did and I and I remember being struck with the imagery of a son in the court standing up, entering in, intercepting and giving me what I did not deserve, humanly speaking, which impacted me and set me free. And I'm going if that was enough to set me free, how much more should the gospel of Jesus Christ set US free? And that is a free gift from God fully, freely and forever. And that's basically how I did my entire time in prison, understanding I was free, free in there than I was out there previously. So I know I said a lot there with an introduction about playing pro soccer, but the pro soccer days led to being a convicted felon a pro Oh con but that's all that God used to get my undivided attention and put me on this mission that I'm currently on, which has intersected our lives. Ruben, yeah, absolutely, and I'm sitting here and I'm getting chills, you know, listening to the story. Um, you know, because this is something I haven't talked about publicly. Um, but my my brother, my my older brother, actually had a very similar situation. Happened, Um, except his, I believe, and he and I have never talked about this, I believe, was it was a short my mother passed away and so he had lit he moved to Arizona and didn't have a support system. So I feel like his his reaction to what happened was all grief related. And I sat in the courtroom and had to give a character witness, you know, to my brother and begged the judge for for some some mercy. And, you know, I'm sitting there and and I just I can just I can picture everything that you're talking about, because I've I've been there as a witness, knowing that my brother did something stupid and wrong and there was a victim that, thankfully, wasn't dead, but unfortunately her life was forever altered. She lost, you know, she lost a leg Um and you know. So, so I seeing that. I can see it and I love the fact that that that young man was able to forgive you, you know, like it's such a powerful testimony of Um, what I would assume is, you know, the love of God there, you know, like I don't. I don't see anybody being able to forgive the person that took their family member, their father, their son, you know, a from them, um, over something as especially as...

...dumb as drinking and driving. Um, I've been, I've been a hardcore advocate against drinking and driving since the day I was like fifteen years old, you know. And so you know, and usually when I hear people have been in drunk driving accidents, I'm like you're dead to me, you know, Um. But I've also learned that there's forgiveness and, you know, hopefully people can take those lessons and learned from it. And I guess my question going into into that is, you know, you said you spent five years in prison and I remember you spoke about how, Um, you know, God really used you in in, you know, in the prison. Um, do you remember kind of the moment where, you know, maybe after that, where you really turned your life to Christ or was that before you even went into into jail? Like, what was that transition like for you? Great Question. So there was ten months between the night the incident, the fatality, March seven, two nine and my sentencing day, as I just kind of prefaced at January seven and ten. So ten months of walking through the legal consequences with the lawyer, walking through my community with the emotional stigma that is attached to that crime that I committed. Like you, Reuben, I would see people that did what I did when I was growing up and say, how could you do that? Who Does that find out? I am now the picture of the drunk driver and, interestingly, you know, I digress. A program that we put together to share with young lives about the danger of decisions was entitled I'm that Guy, because think about my past life being that guy, that pro soccer player, that guy that people looked up to. Man, that guy, he's he's successful, and then in a moment's time becoming Oh, that guy, he's that guy, that drunk driver, and Gosh, man, that's like the challenge for each of us to consider were known for and the decisions that we're making, which determine a destiny. And there's a greater destiny, obviously, if you're a believer that there's an afterlife. God is gonna Judge us. But within those ten months, having a strong community, a family that rallied around me to remind me that God is faithful even when circumstances don't feel good or look good, and it was a falling back on that foundation that I was raised in, which was pivotal for the days ahead. And again it wasn't you know, I woke up and said, you know what, I'm gonna serve the Lord and he's gonna work all things together for good. Room. That's not how it went. There was subtle scriptures that would come into my mind through deep anguish and grief and guilt, like psalm forties, be still and know that I am God, and that's all that I needed in that moment to understand. All Right, God is in control. Be Still, stop trying to figure it out. Do the next right thing. So for ten months the motto was do the next right thing, if that required me standing in front of a classroom in the fall all of that year to tell my story before I even went to prison. I did that and a lot of people were surprised to hear that I had the opportunity to do that and I wasn't to get a lens. It was the right next thing to do and in hindsight, the Lord was using all that to kind of just let me see that he was giving me a gift to communicate his word eventually in a way where people can understand and the and the life story that prayerfully is useful to get people's undivided attention. So ten months of falling back on a faith foundation, the forgiveness on court day was like the catalyst by the time I became an inmate of the state, wearing a jumpsuit, walking around in handcuffs, being locked up with all types of unruly people. It's a spiritual melting pot different crimes, different backgrounds, different age groups, that in that place it wasn't just isolation from the world, it was a place where God allowed me to learn insulation from his from his word, like isolated from the world,...

...so I'm removed from it and then insulated by his word and I fell back in love with his word and I was raised to know it. And now I'm seeing it from a brand new Lens, where it's not just Bible verses I've memorized in my mind. There now truths that have descended and raptured myth and I began to live it out, because you live what you believe, and I truly believed it. And it was in that place called prison where the Lord began to show me that he gave me a gift. And again, it wasn't like check, come back to faith, step two, start a Bible study, step three, you know, be Christ like. No, it was also organic. I just wanted to share what I had learned and I decided to start a Bible study right like this is amazing. I never saw the truth like this before and it was giving me such peace in a place of chaos that the very next thing that was seemed to fit was I want to tell some other people about this. Come on Bible study tomorrow. Hey, you want to come to a Bible study? And a Bible study was birthed in a place where it was uncommon to gather and study scripture openly. And you know, long story short, it was in a Bible study in prison where the Lord was showing me that he was calling me to teach his word eventually, and again I could see it so clear, Reuben, in hindsight. And again it wasn't as easy as the ten months prior to prison of just saying, all right, God's got my mind divided attention and then gone to prison and just robotically making my way through that experience. That's not how it went. It was slowly but surely, just falling back on that faith foundation and trusting God one day and one moment at a time. To be where I'm at today is just like totally humbling and and I never want to lose sight of what God has done it's been God, and God alone that has taken my ashes and made something beautiful at it, taking my brokenness and made something whole out of it, and I can't take any credit for it. Yeah, and I love I love that. There is very tangible, Um, you know, moments in your life that you look back at and you can say this is where the Lord has you know, is where the Lord protecting me, this is where the Lord guided me, this is where Lord showed me, you know, and now this is where the Lord's using me. You know. And I want to transition now and talking to what you're doing today, because I think the work that you're doing today, Um, I honestly believe that it's probably the most important work of your life. Um, that's very bold of me to say, you know, saying what's important in your life. Um, but Um, you know, you you're you're very bold and what you say. Um, I remember sitting in the pews at Caffrey, Chapela, Habra and UH and sitting here and just I wish I had my notebook so I can go back and see the notes that I wrote down. But you were talking about the Modern Day Babbel and we were talking about how Um, and correct me if I'm wrong, but basically the gist of it was that, you know, the world today is confusing the language to be able to create confusion, to be able to divide. And I'm sure you went further than that, but that's kind of the basis of what I remember. It's it's it's really early in the morning, people. My brain doesn't work in the afternoon, but in the morning especially. But you know, and you sat up there and and you talked about Um. You know that truth is truth no matter what. But we have, you know, a set of people in this world who are trying to redefine words, redefined UH pronouns, redefine now a recession. Uh. You know, all this crazy stuff that's happening in the world and you tied it to, uh, very biblical truths about how, how and why we as Christians shouldn't just sit around and allow, you know, these people...

...to just change the definitions of stuff, because it is a very slippery slope and I want to give you the opportunity to explain what you meant and also, you know, Um, tell me, how how can you be so like? How how do you find the UH, the guts to go out there and be so bold, you know, because the church body is, well, you know, a wonderful thing, but also very fragile at times, and you know they're scared of of making waves Um, even though, you know, the example we have is to, you know, shake the system, you know, because Christ went and he shook the system and he broke the system and recreated the system. You know, but nowadays Christians tend to like no, no, it's okay, we'll just pray for you from a distance, we'll call you whatever you want, we'll do whatever you need to do. Just please come to church and put five dollars in the tithing basket and when we're happy. So please. I don't know if there's a question in there, but I think, and I think you know what I what I'm asking here. You saw my my brain. It's like, first things first, it's not about being offensive for offensive sake, mind you, when you carry out truth, absolute truth, objective truth, truth is offensive. So anytime you represent truth and you represent the God of truth, it's going to be offensive to those that don't want anything to do with God and want to define their own way to truth, like my truth, your truth and ultimately, there's only one truth, the Lord Jesus Christ and his word. So when you really think about the Tower of Babel, as it's called in the Bible, in Genesis, genesis eleven, that's not just history, that's a trajectory and you see a spirit that is birthed in a man named Nimrod, who is the archetype of being anti Christ, and he provokes the people to build a tower. We know it as the Tower of Babel, which has two meanings. Really. Babel was the gateway to the Gods. So there's some type of spiritual dimension that Nimrod is championing and it makes sense. Spirituality today is useful to say we're all spiritual. And he's got the people and they have one language, which is very specific, and God sees them and goes look at them. They've unified, not around truth, not around him, they've unified around a false sense of unity and a false sense of equity and they're gonna build something to make their way to God. Every religion is built on man's intentions or efforts to get to God and God sees them and it says he comes down and he scatters them, and this is where you get all of the languages of the world, kind of being uh, find their birthplace there. God scatters them, changes their language. In the word Babel also means Babel to be confused. So their attempt was to get to God and God scatters and confuses their attempt because it always comes to nothing. And like Psalm two says, look at the nations, look at the people. Why are they plotting? Why are they conspiring? Why are they raging? They shake their fists at Heaven and God laughs and he's like, you're not gonna thwart my plan. I'M gonna establish my King on my Mountain Zion in Jerusalem. And like this whole thing is built around a recurring theme. Babel eventually becomes the birthplace of idolatry and then the nation of Babylon comes onto the scene, eventually a form of that babble, with a brand new archetype, anti Christ, and then you see God sparing his people. Then you see Babylon show up in revelation. So when you follow the thread, as I said earlier, it's not just the history trajectory, it's the spirit of the age. It's a spirit that is anti God, Anti Bible, Anti Christ, anti anything conservative. And of course they rally around unity and diversity and inclusivity and love is love, and that's why they're a to...

...get away with redefining marriage, right marriage as defined by God. They're able to get away with establishing their own morality system. Right morals are relative. Culture kind of determines what's right and what's wrong, and that completely diminishes the fact that truth is transcendent. Truth never changes from the beginning to the end. And that's why people can say, you know what, I am now a woman all of a sudden. I know I'M A and, but now I'm a woman and and this is all the attempt that just confusing and using hearts that are harnessed by hell to present this one world system. And again people go that's a conspiracy, and I'm going no, no, no, no. The thing through what is a one world system, a one world order? It's all under the harness of Hell. And if it's one world order, then just reorient your mind to receive it like this. Let's go and reverse what is happening in our world. Well, the enemy is ordering the world into oneness. That's one worldness, one world order, ordering the world into a oneness. Oneness of what? A oneness in his image, an image that is a departure from the standard. If we're image bears of God, God said, we are creating his image. Why do you think the enemy works over time to destroy image bearers? Not only in genocide and not only in crimes against humanity, murder and an assault, but think about abortion, destroying image bears, future image bears. Think about transgenderism, completely marring the lines between image bears male and female. Think about marriage, God said, between a man and a woman, and the enemy goes no, it doesn't matter, as long as love is the basis, a man can marry a man and a woman can marry a woman. And now we're crossing over and we're seeing the spirit of the age. It's all about oneness man, and that's going to involve a one world government, which, hello, we're moving towards that, as well a one world religion. We're moving towards that, and I'm going we're we're working our way back to Babylon or Babel, and all the while God is doing something his people that's counter to that movement. And that's why, to answer your question, acts fourth thirteen says it like this now. When they saw the boldness of Peter and John and realized they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And the punchline. They realized they had been with Jesus. They saw a boldness about their speech. That's really what it means a freedom of speech. They were fluidity and their faith. They were so passionate about what they were talking about that they were like, wait a second, these guys are untrained. Who are these guys? Didn't go to our schools? These guys are uneducated. And and and the conclusion, which, mind you, they were using it as an indictment, but when you read it as a Christian, you take it as a compliment. They realized they had been with Jesus. Hey, Ruben, if if we spend time with Jesus and we truly believe we have the Ministry of truth entrusted to us, which is enabled by the spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit in us, we have access to the word of truth, which is God's holy word. But it's not just his word he offens, he he comes with his word. If I believe that, shouldn't my presentation of that be bold, because the god of the word actually backs his word and I'm speaking his word, I'm not speaking my own word. So I'm able to compartmentalize and categorize. When somebody comes at me for something I said, I'm able to go you're not made at me, you're made at God, you're made at the truth. That was received as offensive because, as I looked at this morning, John Chapter Three, is the truth confusing? Is it something that's lofty, intellectuy that people don't understand it? No, no, Jesus goes. No, no, no, no, that's that's that's not what's going on here. It's that man loves darkness rather than light. Yea Man's deeds are evil and they'll say that it's you know, I'm not I don't know about God. It's like no, it's really just love sin, and we love sin so much that we're willing to pursue it at our own expense. And that's what Sam does. It just just tears us...

...up. Yeah, it's it's so crazy to see. You know, I've known a lot of a lot of really strong Christian families this when I was a kid. They were very strong Christian families who, you know, have fallen into the trap of allowing their kids to transition and allowing their kids to change their their pronouns. And there you know, Um, I'll tell you. I'll tell you this quick story, Um, that that should break anybody's heart who hears this a little. I think she was six or seven years old, maybe younger than that. Um, at a preface this. Um, I may edit this out of the final podcast because I have to get premissure from my girlfriend actually tell the story. But Um, you know, she she's a she was a tutor for for a little while and one of this one of her students, again very young age, Um, asked her what are your what are your pronouns? You know? And my girlfriend said she, you know, her, her, she, her, or whatever whatever the real ones are. And UH and the little girl goes, Oh, yeah, identify as as they them it. And my girlfriend goes, why do you? Why do you identify as it? She was like, because I'm just really confusing, I don't know what I'm supposed to say. And I'm sitting there and I'm like that kid is so ripe for indoctrination and one teacher gets there, there they grasp on them, that kids entire future is completely blown up, blown apart because of one sick, perverted thought process that anybody can be whatever they want any point in time. And you know, I'm very much like, Hey, if you're twenty years old and you want to say that you're they them, okay, fine, you do you like. You're an adult. You can do that if you really really want to. Don't ask me to to accept that as truth, you know, but don't teach that to our children, you know. And what's going on in our school systems across the board is scary and I like I always say, God bless Rohnd to Santists out in Florida, who is protecting our children? Um, you know, and everyone's always talking about you know, the big thing at the time, I don't remember this, was nobody's grooming the children, you know, and it's like, no, no, we're not talking about like literally, like sexually grooming the children to get them ready to go have, you know, a sexual relationship with these children. We're talking about social and political grooming. You know, you are setting up this generation to be confused so that way one person who makes a little bit of sense to them will walk into their life and completely change the trajectory of their life, you know, and so I guess the reason why I'm bringing this up is I wonder what's what's your your advice to people who are sitting here thinking, yeah, I don't know how to how to interact with these people who are changing definitions and stuff, but I also don't know how to protect the kids in my life because real quickly are there's a story of a very left leaning woman who is all about, you know, kill your babies and anyone can be whatever. But the minute her kids started saying I want to identify as as as a as a boy, when she when she's a girl, she got confused and scared. So what do you tell parents who are seeing in that situation? How do they handle that? What's your advice to people in general and in these times? Well, I would says as Christians. So that's usually my primary audience, speaking to the Church of Jesus Christ. I think again that in and of itself could be a separate show. How had greatly by turning the church into an incubator to try to reach the world. That's not what the church is for. The Church was an establishment from Christ himself to represent him on earth, his body. Therefore, when we come to church, it's a place for believers, so things are said for believers. Somebody comes that doesn't have a spiritual or biblical world, they're gonna be offended. So this is the Christian parents. One engage in such a way that if a school system is attempting to indoctrinate your children, they're yours,...

...with any type of curriculum or ideas that are anti Christ or antithetical to the Bible engage. Don't let the lie of well, Christians should just, you know, stay out of the Public Square. That's been a lie that has been weaved into too many churches, which has resulted in the culture being what it is today. Remember when Jesus said you're the salt of the earth, he was saying you're the delay of the earth. Wait, what salt delayed? Decay and corruption. So if I'm the salt of the Earth, I'm to delay the decay, to be in the way and if it involves my children, more so than ever before, if somebody that is in your network is struggling with identity or sexuality, you do two things. You you accept where they're at right but you don't affirm, and I know like that's semantics. Some people know, accepting them is loving. I love you, but I can't affirm that. I can't. I can't call you by pronouns that are not consistent with your biological structure. Right. I just don't do it as a Christian because I'm not gonna play in this fantasy world. I'M NOT gonna affirm a lie Um. The other thing that Christians need to understand is, yes, adults who decided to make certain decisions, whether it's, you know, sexual sin or identity crisis type stuff. Yeah, let them do that. In the moment they start to try to indoctrinate children, they should heighten our senses and our awareness. Why? What do you think the highest treason against God would be? It's not just our sin against him, it's when we attempt to influence children to sin. That's what Jesus meant when he said it would be better for a person to have a millstone hung around their neck and thrown into the sea. He wasn't saying that should happen if they cause little ones to stumble, little children to be offended. He said it would be better if that type of person had a millstone, a heavy stone, hung around their neck. And they were thrown into the say so Jesus like, you don't mess with children, you do not confuse them biologically by identity. And you know what hit me the other day, Rubey, it was such a simple analogy about the devastation that these movements have if we're operating under laws. Nobody defies the law of gravity with consequences. Nobody jumps off a deck and says I was gonna try to just create my own law and believe in the law of gravity. Gravity. We do that with biology all of a sudden, but let's do that with traffic laws real quick, and we don't have to get all complicated with yield signs and and other traffic laws. Let's just use red and green, for example. We all know red and green means go. I could. I know that. So when I see a red light, I stop. When I see a green light, I go, well, what if you know what? I'M gonna operate as if red is green and green is red. All of a sudden I do that sometimes right. Well, you might takenly do that. There are people who are intentionally doing that and I'm going you can say, well, that's fine with me, I'm gonna still operate as green being go and red and stop. Now let's put that into practice. There are gonna be people on the roads who are operating as red as green and green as red, and there are to be people on the roads who are saying no, red is red and green is green. You are inevitably going to see calamity and confusion and destruction. Just with the traffic laws, and I'm going in an infinitely greater way, with spiritual laws, identity laws, as God has given us order. When man defies that order, it leads to disorder. So, as a Christian, you gotta know truth, you gotta be willing to share truth. You can't worry about feelings and emotions. You do accept those in your network with compassion, but you don't affirm it, and then you pray for their heart, because only the god of the word can illuminate their minds and set them free from that form of bondage. And it's a deep bondage because it's a confused it's a confusion in the soul. That's why the enemy tries to get our children as early as possible. They're pliable and they're multible at an early age. So why is he going through the school system. Well, if he has access to the next generation, then when they...

...become of age, that's going to be the acceptable norm, and and and and and. In the word of being tolerant, like we had to tolerate everything, it's like, no, you don't tolerate what is Devian. You never do that as a Christian, no matter what, and that comes at a cost. You will get canceled. We talked about that. You will get persecuted, you will be called a hater, you will be called a sexist, you will be called a bigot, and I'm going if none of those things are true of me. Ruben, I don't believe those things are true of me. I'm not a racist, I'm not a bigot. My heart explodes the sea souls saved. I don't care what color, I don't care what sin they're struggling with. I'm made of the same stuff as them. I'm just as guilty as they are. Yet I got the antidote, I know the savior and I should be passionate about setting them free from that house of fire, as if we would in the physical sense. Somebody was in a house on fire. WE'RE NOT gonna walk by and go, Oh, I hear somebody yelling. You know what, I'm just gonna go on my way because my life looks good. No, no, we're gonna do what ever takes to try to get them out of that house. And I go that should be the sense of urgency that believers have today, more than ever, in light of the seeds of lies that have been sewed into our children's minds. Yeah, it's it's funny because I come from the generation that, you know, Um, where the it was early foundations to where we're at today really with, you know, pushing so hard for for the legalization of gay marriage. And you know, well, I'll say in one breath I don't care what people do in their in their bedroom. Politically speaking, do whatever you want in your bedroom. You know, Um, the minute you start saying that a church should or shouldn't do something that is unbiblical, that's where I draw the line. And you know, Um, that generation, my generation, grew up with the idea of it's okay for men and women to, you know, marry the same sex, and that quickly turned into well, now you have to accept them. If the man wants to be a woman and the woman wants to be a man and you know, men can get pregnant, all the stuff, and it's it's, it is. It has been a very it has been the definition of a slippery slope. You know, and I tell people in my in my network, because you know, I'm I've been blessed with having very Um, very smart friends, but very young friends. And so they they're growing up in in the in this current indoctrination of you know, they them we ve a Zz a. You know, as Ben Shapiro says, the L G B T Q plus. You know Q I a W X Y Z. You know amber stand plus mind to sign. You know people and you know, unfortunately they're really good again, really good Christians who are growing up to say, you know what doesn't hurt me, you to go, do you? And I'm sitting there, I'm like, at what point does it? You know? Do we do? We say, Oh man, I wish we would have taken a stronger stance. So I'm glad that there's people like you out there who are Um, who are taking this from a Christian worldview, not just the political worldview, you know, a Christian worldview, and saying, listen, this isn't what the Bible wants, you know, like this is what the Bible teaches. The Bible. Yes, be compassionate to people who are, you know, going through you know they're a potential transition. You know, and but you said, don't, don't affirm them. You know, and would love, like lovingly don't affirm them. You remember all these as today? I don't care what controversial issue you want to bring up. They're not political. Yeah, they're not social. Before they were theological. That's why the Christians should have a concern about them. So what the enemy has done is, the moment it has entered the political arena, he has convinced a lot of Christians that you can no longer touch it. And I'm saying, if you look at history, he's done his most damage has always been through the political arena, through policy, through making laws on righteous laws and then causing Christians and churches to either accept it and affirm it or get penalized...

...persecuted for standing against it. That's what you see, and I'm going we live in a very unique context where a lot of people try to take Romans Thirteen and go see we should submit. I'm going, not only was that misappropriated. Romans Thirteen was written by Paul in a Roman context about their form of government. We don't have a Roman form of government. We have a completely different democracy. Therefore, you have to apply it to your context, which means our government is by the people for the people, we the people, and it was established on Judaeo Christian values and you see it all in our written documents, all all in the framework of our and I'm saying we use that as a point of references. They look how far we have fallen and because God is no longer sitting as over our our nation, blessed as the nation whose God, as a Lord Righteousness, Exalta nation. But to any people were able to say, look how we have allowed the enemy so deep into our land that now we're on the sidelines going, you know what, we're just passing through here, and I'm going I don't see that in any age of the Church that we're just passing through here. We were established to make an eternal impact on earth. While we're here assault influencers, delaying the decay and light, and the reason there's darkness that's prevailing and the reason there's decay and corruption in every square inch of our country is because the church and the Christian have remained silent with the truth and we are the ones that have given over the territory to the enemy. We're losing the Culture War and I'm honored and humbled to just be one voice of many that are all yelling at the top of our lungs. I often tell my people at Church I'm not writing sermons anymore, I'm writing sirens. I'm done right in a sermon. We do not need another sermon, we need a siren, because when I read a Bible I'm like God is trying to sound a siren to get his people to wake up before it's too late. So back to Babylon, right, how's that end? Well, revelation tells us the world it is moving towards mystery Babylon and a bondage and a blindness. And if the church is doing what it's supposed to do, will delay that, but we'll also bring more people with us by way of salvation. So, Gosh, I don't sit here trying to tell people you know it's as easy as ABC, one, two three. No, it's I know it's complicated. I know there are people in our families in our workplace that are espousing these opposite views, and there's been great division over the past several years in every area of life, from politics to how people have handled coronavirus to social justice. I mean, you name it. Your for masks, I'm against masks. You're for the vacts, I'm against the vacts. Like Division, division, division, and I'm saying now more than ever, we need to be about what we believe, and it's greater than all those things I just previously mentioned. It's about as of the soul and if the believer believes that. Often tell people in riddle form, and I'll say it fast and I'll say it's low. You you might have people in your life that don't believe what you believe, but you better believe that they'll believe whether or not you believe what you believe. Now I'll say it's lower. There are people in your life that do not believe what you believe, but you better believe that they will at least believe whether you believe what you believe. In other words, they're watching US and they're able to deduce whether or not we actually believe the Bible that we sit under every Sunday. Like they could tell like, are you willing to put everything on the line? Because that's what the early disciples did, everything on the line for a truth they believed, and the world will know whether or not we believe what we believe. Amen. Man, I. I'm sitting here, man, and I'm I'm I'm getting chills and getting excited and I'm I'm like, I'm like, where's my Bible? And you going, like start reading my Bible more and just get more and more equippment, because I really feel like there are the church is in an interesting place, post pandemic, Um, and we're entering now, what I'm saying, a social pandemic, with what's going on with with again, everything that we've talked...

...about today. Um, and I truly believe that, Um, anybody who truly calls themselves a Bible believing Christian needs to put on the armor of God and get to work. You know, there's a spiritual war out there, man, and it's it's and the unfortunate part is we're losing it right now. We're losing you know, and I'm sitting here and I'm like, this is America, this is the greatest country on earth, you know, and and we're allowing it. We're allowing what what our founding fathers handed to us as the greatest experiments in political history to just decay and like like, like you said, we are decaying in every inch of this nation, and it seems to me just kind of outside note and a rant. To me, it seems like the more and more the United States decays, the more and more Christians kind of are like, well, at least we're close to the end times. Okay, well, if that's the case, what are you doing about it? You know, are you? Are you saving souls? Are you? Are you praying for those who are lost, or are you letting them just go to hell? Like literally, that's apathy. Apathy, apathy toward Christ, does more damage to the cause of Christ than enmity with Christ, enmity being at war with him, like those that are completely on the opposite end of this battle against God himself. Those who are claiming to know him, who are apathetic toward him, are actually doing more damage to his cause than those who are outright sinning and rebelling, because we're the ones that he's placed in this context for such a time as this. To steal a line from esther to be the salt and light. But where did this start? You can trace it. The enemy's attempt at indoctrination at every level, through every medium. You can go all the way back and realize the first thing that he's done, which is a replication of what Hitler did in Nazi Germany, which is pretty astonishing. Contradicts Truth. Enough said. Contradict truth. The next thing that will fall into place. You control the news, propaganda, control the messaging put such a way that you can't escape it. What happens after? You control the news, you can bring conflict to groups. You contradict truth. You control the news. You can bring two groups, rich versus poor, black versus white. You can throw off society in such a way that then you're the one that comes in with the solution. Right. What happens as a result of all that? You convert to youth. That's what Hitler said. He said if you you give me the next generation, you give me the nation. You contradict truth, you control the news, you bring conflict to groups, you will convert to youth. And if the next generation is lost, that's when the end times and Jesus will say, you know what, enough's enough, just as he did in the days of Noah and the days of lot. Enough's enough. I'M gonna come. I believe in a rapture, pre triber rapture. I believe he's gonna come get his bride and will be spared from that final hell on earth with the Anti Christ. That's my belief. Some people argue back and say, oh no, I don't think that's gonna Happen. Either way, man, I'm living as if today was my last. I'm gonna Share The Gospel. I gotta go preach tonight at my church, Reuben. I'm gonna preach as if it's my last siren to my people, because tomorrow is not entrusted to me, and I hope to instigate people to be about our father's business more than ever before, and I hope that is impactful to parents and moms and DADS who trained children in the way they should go, because if they don't, if you don't train children in the way they should go, they'll be if you don't train them up, the world will tran them up. The world will tran them up, they will be subjected to drag queen's story hour like. That's just one example of manywhere the enemy's coming in as a guy dressed as a gal with exaggerated parts hair makeup, reading a Kid's book to capture their imagination. That's what's on their website. They I love how they use the word capture, because that's like spiritual capture their mind. That's...

...indoctrination. And it's interesting that we're on this thread. Reuben, you probably like we weren't planning on talking about some of this stuff, but what Lord has led us here, and I think that's probably the relative relevant issues of our day every Christian should be equipped to address. Well, let me let me tell you this, man, the amount of prep work I did going into this was zero. I I don't even know what sport you played. I thought I thought you were you're you're throwing important. Yeah, you know, Um, the Lord. I knew the Lord was gonna Guide this conversation no matter what, and I just knew that if, if we were able to be condunced for the conversation, that it would happen the way it needed to happen. And I believe that, Um, that this country is at a at a precipice of uh, needing to decide what it wants to be. It's either going to be a nation of law and order and a nation of of of the founding father's doctrine, under whether people want to say that the founding fathers are Christians or not, that's that's something that we can and I actually want to talk to about that some other time, because I know we're tat on time here. I would love to Um, you know, because there's so many lies and things that are being spewed right now about, you know, uh, the founding fathers and stuff. But you know, we're either going to be a nation of laws and and a Christian nation, and that doesn't mean that we have one church, that the that the the nation has to abide to, not the Church of England type of a situation. But you know that we're allowing, you know, Christians to rise up in leadership and allowing people of all walks to have their their chance at the table, or we're going to be a lawless nation, which is where we're headed right now and it's it's really interesting, man. I tell a little bit real quick about truth over trend. That's your organization and, uh, what, what? What you got coming up in the next couple of weeks. Truth over trend. Truth over trend is more or less a platform that the Lord has entrusted to me. You can find out more information at that actual name. TRUTH OVER TREND DOT com, social media saying handles our truth over trend. I don't want my name attached to anything and I'll tell you a very I'll tell you a long story in a short way. The site that was founded on my behalf after I got into prison was called the Matt Mayor Story Dot Com and on that website originally was the courtroom scene. As you can imagine, we embedded that video of the news capturing Mr Horcap's son forgiving me. We also allowed Mr Horcap's family, which they accepted, the opportunity to blog on that website and I was blogging from prison. So I didn't have a computer, I didn't have Internet. I would write a snail mail letter and I would send it home my mom would post it on the Matt Mayor Story Dot Com. I never saw it. Not only I never saw it when I got out that was the first time I saw like a computer with my website on it. But the website went kind of viral. People were following it from all over the world. I felt like Dr Phil in a sense. In prison. People were writing the asking me for my advice, and I remember thinking like, I'm in prison, man, you're writing me. But they were reading the blog and the blog, by God's grace, was saturated with east and I guess that was attractive. And people are saying if this guy's got it figured out, and they are, and it was. It was an opportunity for me again to share the Gospel in a very dark place. So, transition, I got out. I never liked Matt Mayor, the Matt Mayor's story. I didn't want it to be about me, because it's not about me. And I got with my team and I was like, listen, I want to change the name. Oh, you can't change the name, and that's how people find you, like, and I'm like, I don't care if they don't find I don't want them to find me. I want them to find the truth, essentially, and the Gospel. And, Um, you know, the way I was teaching and preaching and talking. It was counter to the trends of the day and I was dealing with a lot of youth and they were always caught up in the hype of the trends and Tiktok and like every week there was a new dance and like, and I'm going guys, imagine if you knew the truth so much more than you knew the trends, and that kind of became this truth over trend and the platform really has sometimes I'll update it where I'm...

...at, where I'm speaking at in California and Virginia and Florida. Um, you'll find all my media on there. My media would include sermons that I've given at Calvary Lahabre, at other churches, my own church, my podcast, which is called rechurched podcast, and the name is the mission rechurched. I believe we will reach the unchurched and the D church when the church is rechurched, when we come back to biblical thinking the way we should, that's when we'll reach the world, but not the other way around. We have to know the Bible before we can bring it out and start a revival. So rechurch podcast like you're doing, Reuben. We're talking about some of the hot topics of our day. Um, there's march and I hate offering merch up, but they're just sticky ways of you know, somebody goes. What does your shirt mean? Or like your shirt, man, truth over Tran Courage over compromise, grace over guilt, hope over hype, worship over worry, Gospel over gossip and like. The list goes on. And you wear them in an airport people go, I like that shirt, man, and now you're talking about your faith in a very non threatening way because of something you're wearing. So truth over trend DOT COM, um. Again, it's about the truth of Jesus Christ, not about me personally. So I didn't care that you didn't know what sport I played. Often forget about that myself, because it's nothing more than a leverage to get to the meat and what matters of it all. That's right. Yeah, that's awesome. I definitely recommend people to head of our truth over trend DOT com. UH, support, you know, support this, this ministry and this mission, Um, because again, I think it's I think it's the most important work you're doing right now, man, is is standing up against the the social predations of of the world today. And, Um, you know, I wish, I wish we had more time to chat further, Um, but we'll do this again, I hope, and we'll we'll jump into some of the stuff that I want to talk about. As far as, like you know, the founding fathers, documents and and and stuff like that. I think there's a there's some truth in there too. Matthew Mary, thank you so much. Stick around for just one, one quick second here. Thank you, whether I appreciate it. Yeah, that was my conversation with Pastor Matthew Mayor. Hey, he has some books, he's got some merch it's got all that stuff over at truth over trend DOT com. Go and support what he's doing. He's doing an incredible, incredible work. Former football player and football as in Soccer Um. He's an incredible speaker. He's had some adversity, adversities in his life, and I think that any support that he can get from us is great. It's a truth over trend DOT com. It's incredible, incredible work that Matthew is doing. I Apologize, my phone just went off. You know, I should have that on silence, but I don't. So if you see me the next week I owe you a beer or a coffee or whatever you drink, your drink choice. But at the end of the day, Matthew Mayor is doing an incredible work, much like what we're doing here at the podcast. So again, if you would like to support what I'm doing here, head over to dollar in the JAR DOT com. For three bucks a month you can help support the podcast. We also have a free version that you don't get any perks with. It gonna be part of a community and a membership, but just sign up. Sign up, whether it's free, free version or the paid version. All of it helps and with that I'm out. I'M gonna head out and uh, get some work done and try to just try to be effective in what we're doing here. My Name is Reuben j. You can follow me on twitter at the Reuben J uh. Same on Instagram, facebook, all of the big social media sites. I'm also on truth social at the Reuben J. Make sure it's a follow me. And with that I am out. I will see you, guys. When I see you. Be blessed everybody. This...

...is a big fight that we're fighting and we're in it's together. I appreciate you. talked to you later.

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